Question for Joe - How has your training philosophy changed through the years?

#1
Joe,

I've read all of your stuff I can get my hands on - stuff from that other message board in the early 200s and more recently stuff on the Aggies website.

Things have changed slightly, but a lot stays consistent as well.

Over the course of your coaching career - what have been the biggest changes you've made philosophically from your early posts on LetsRun until now?
 

Joe

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#2
Jim,

This one's going to take more time and thought, let me get back to you by early next week on this one.

Have a great rest of your weekend.

Joe
 

Joe

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#3
The biggest changes have been the addition of warmup drills (largely skips) and a barefoot mile on grass followed by hurdle drills after the key workout. The athletes start their workout at 8:10 and usually finish around 10:45 with very little sitting around. New athletes will usually say something like "did you know we just did 16-18 miles?" and the older athletes will respond with "sneaky miles". Saturdays looked like before March 12th:
Warmup run of 20-30 min
Warmup Drills
6-8 x strides and/or 4-8 x diagonal accelerations on the infield of the track w/ walk across recoveries and/or 2x 200 at 1500/3k effort w/ 200 jog
5 min
Primary workout for the day
Barefoot mile
8 gr protein/30 gr carbo snack (usually chocolate milk)
Hurdle Drills
Optional core work
15-30 min run
Optional 30-60 min evening Run

Sunday Long Run

I've also have a much greater emphasis on process goals now, items the athlete has control over ie. a 8 gr protein/30 gr carb snack after hard workouts, a minimum of drinking 2 x 16 oz glasses of lemon water next to their bed so they can keep hydrated throughout every evening, Iron supplement and OJ mid morning, a glass of milk before bed, 8+ hours of sleep a night, 3 squares.

The workouts themselves have a great tempo component - not sure if I'm seeing the results I was hoping for, so will tweak that a bit a bring back some of the workouts I had success with in the 90's

Joe
 
#4
Thanks for the thoughtful response.

Can you talk a bit about what a workout now looks like and something you would replace it with from the 90s?
 

Joe

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#5
Now: 4 mile tempo + 1600 at 10k, 1k at 5k, 600 at 3k, 400 at 1500 all w/ 400 jog.
Then: 6 x 1600 at 10k w/ 400 recovery at 60 sec/mile slower + 3 x 300 at 1500 w/ 100 jog
 
#6
I know it's popular right now to say too much of the then workout too soon would result in a premature peak if done too often, too soon. Do you have any thoughts on that? I guess it's become sexier to do a lot of the first type of workout in limit the second type for only a handful near the end of the season.

What qualities did you see being developed then that are not being developed using the methods you're using now?
 

Joe

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#7
My athletes ran faster, had greater improvement, ran fastest at the end of the season and had less injuries when we trained more old school. I suspect training at altitude requires a greater use of tempo work vs faster intervals to have success. Maybe the added stress of altitude?

Joe
 
#8
Hi Joe,

So are you saying you feel like returning the principles outlined in "Joe Rubio’s Fundamental Training Principles for the Competitive
1500m Runner" are something you will move back towards?
 

Joe

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#9
The principles haven't changed much, but the workouts are slightly different. Just moving back to many of the workouts from the 90's is all.

Joe
 
#10
Sorry - I guess what I meant was, "Are you moving back more to the types of workouts that were listed in the original document/pdf?"
 
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